Coast Redwood – The 100 Meter Tree

1      100 Meter Trees

For trees, a 100 meter height is very unusual.  In the recent past the coast redwood, Douglas fir, Austral eucalyps, and possibly some tropical hardwoods had extant trees over 100 meters.   However in the present day all documented living trees over 100 meters in height are coast redwoods.

For coast redwoods, a 100 meter height is uncommon but not rare.  Humboldt Redwoods State Park contains the greatest number of very tall trees, concentrated along the Eel River south fork and Bull Creek.  There is good public information on the height of individual tree crowns in this area, originating in LiDAR point cloud data.   In HRSP there are about 300 hectares with demonstrated 100 meter redwoods, with an average density of about four 100 meter trees per hectare.  So that results in about 1,200 redwood trees in HRSP above 100 meters in height.

Then each of the other redwood parks with many tall trees (Redwood National Park, Prairie Creek Redwoods State Park, Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Park) likely have a similar number of 100 meter redwood trees, but there isn’t enough public data to develop definitive counts.

So among the four large parks, then adding in trees from Montgomery Woods and a few other locations, there are likely around 5,000 coast redwood trees with heights above 100 meters, and 0 trees that are not coast redwoods with heights above 100 meters.

 

 

2      Tallest Coast Redwoods

 

Based on extensive measurement and point cloud analysis it was determined a nice round number to differentiate the tallest redwoods is 350 feet (106.7 meters), with about 225 trees above this height cutoff.   That’s a pretty big drop from the 5,000 or more redwood trees over 100 meters in height.

Although there are many 100 meter trees in Prairie Creek and Jedediah Smith, the 350 foot (106.7 meter) redwood trees are concentrated in Humboldt Redwoods and Redwood National Park (from Michael Taylor 2013 list):

 

Humboldt Redwood State Park:  160 trees 350+

Redwood National Park:  36 trees 350+

Montgomery Redwoods State Reserve:  17 trees 350+

Prairie Creek Redwoods State Park:  9 trees 350+

Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Park:  3 trees 350+

Grizzly Creek Redwoods State Park:  1 tree 350+

The redwoods above 350 feet continue to be measured for height changes.  Some are measured annually versus others might be measured every ten years.

There are a few new 350 foot trees found each year, as the “349 footers” grow into 350 feet or a new LiDAR flyover identifies some trees that were missed previously.

 

3      350 Foot Trees – Height Changes and Group Substitution Rate

 

There is a published Tall Trees list from 2000, and then these same trees can be compared to the 2013 list, to see the 13 year growth rates among the trees.   All the trees on the 2000 list are also on the 2013 list, though three of these trees have fallen since 2013.

For trees on 2000 list, height change to 2013:

Gained height – 110 trees, average height increase 3.0 inches per year

Lost Height – 12 trees, average height loss 1.3 inches per year

In the past year three trees from the 2000 list fell (all in Humboldt).

Looking at the LiDAR data for Humboldt redwoods, there are about 42 trees in 2013 that were between 347 and 350 feet in height.  Based on the 2000 – 2013 results 4 or so of these trees will lose height over the next decade, versus 38 or so will increase height, at a rate of 3 inches per year.  That allows a calculation for the new 350 foot “grow in” trees for Humboldt each year:

  • 38 trees above 347 feet growing to 350 feet
  • Assuming heights are uniformly distributed, this results in 12.7 height bands (38 trees, 3 inches per year per tree).
  • Then taking the 38 trees divided by the 12.7 height bands that results in 3 new 350 foot trees in Humboldt each year based on height growth.
  • Then based on the ratio of tall trees between parks there would be one additional 350 foot tree each year in another redwood park, likely in Redwood National Park.

The 350 foot list grow in rate appears to be above the loss rate  from height reduction and tree fall but time will tell.    For sure there likely will be three to four new 350 foot trees each year.

This redwood , Big Log on Harper Flat, added seven feet in height between 2000 and 2013. It was among the fastest growing in height during that  time period.

 

Federation Grove point cloud data,  arranged to show all tree crowns over 100 meters (purple dots).  There are around 250 such redwood crowns in this grove!

 

Thanks for reading.

11 thoughts on “Coast Redwood – The 100 Meter Tree”

  1. It’s amazing at the sheer number of trees exceeding 100 meters for living Redwoods. And we might have 1 Douglas fir that was 100 meters, 30 years ago (the Doerner Fir before the top died out)- or about 329 feet in the late eighties – versus 5,000 existing coast redwood that height and taller. If I hadn’t collected over 220 historic accounts of Douglas-fir logged out between 1850-1950, exceeding 300 ft (91.5 meters) and taller, I’d doubt any Douglas fir ever exceed the 100 meter threshold. I think this shows clearly 2 phenomena: 1. The Coast Redwood is demonstrably a much taller tree on average then even the tallest Douglas fir forests, and tallest absolute trees basing off existing forests. 2. The ancient Douglas fir forests growing in the mountain lowland and coastal zones were so thoroughly logged between the latter 1800’s to mid 1900’s, that not a single representative in the 100 meter class exists today, where I have approximately 70 accounts of trees exceeding 100 meters from historic files, some of questionable reliability, others reported by foresters and surveyors, and loggers. Both papers on the theoretical height limits of Douglas-fir, and Coastal Redwood, show a maximum range in the 100 to 130 or 140 meter window, which suggests that at least some of these reports of 350 to 400 foot tall Douglas fir may have been legit, although rare and exceptional trees. Often we get reports like, farmer brown, and such and such cut down a fir and found it was 354 feet long, or “nearly four hundred feet” or some rounded up enumeration, impossible to verify in today’s age of lasers. Some of the reports made by foresters like E.T. Allen and others, indicated that the average height of the Douglas fir in optimal groves attained a median height of almost 300 feet, so it’s impossible to know the exact number of 100 meter plus trees of the past, short of unearthing more historic reports (which is a fruitful frontier by the way). Clearly though, the statistics on existing Coast Redwood blow the Douglas fir out of the water. 70 odd anecdotes best case, versus 5,000 existing confirmations, – I’d say the jury is heavily in favor of Redwood a supreme master of altitude! Clear cut case. The sheer age these redwood trees can reach, 2,000 -2,500 years and more, decay resistant bark, the optimal fog zone and temperate conditions all go in favor for this massive entity. Sadly, one likely reason why our oldest forests of Douglas fir are in a decayed state of altitude is the clear cutting around ancient groves, often exposes their brittle wooden tops to wind, so that a what was several 300 to 350 foot giants, are now snapped off at 225 feet or something, about level with the median forest of second or intermediary growth – the decay rate of the Douglas fir, and shorter life span (perhaps some rare ancient ones reach occasionally 1,200 to 1,500 years) is another factor in their over all morbidity – they just don’t live as long and vibrantly as the Redwoods. 30 to perhaps 34 feet or more may have been the widest DBH on historic Coast redwoods, if the stories of the fieldbrook stump and Lindsey creek trees are valid. The largest diameter Douglas fir I could find in reputable sources were 16, 17 and 18 feet diameter, growing around Conway and Sedro-Woolley, circa 1890-1910. SOme of these allegedly exceeded 100 meters, but more information is needed. Cearly, the largest Redwoods were almost twice as thick in DBH as the Douglas-fir. That’s amazing in itself.

    Great information here on this post. Fascinating data!

    1. Thanks Micah. Great recap of Douglas fir height in present and in the past. Maybe there is a 100 meter Douglas fir hiding somewhere among 100 meter redwoods. That would give it wind protection. There are some Douglas fir over 90 meters in Prairie Creek, maybe also on Flint Ridge.

      For the post I added a derivative LiDAR rendering showing all the 100 meter trees in Founders Grove, there are about 250 such trees in that Humboldt Redwoods grove. Amazing …

        1. Hello.

          There is some point cloud LiDAR data for redwood forests. Then that point cloud data needs to be processed, for that I have had good success using ArcGIS for Personal Use. Then ArcGIS help has instructions for working with point cloud data.

          For derivative products, aka processed LiDAR height maps, I haven’t found much other than a flash or two in research papers or in presentations.

          Open Topography LiDAR portal returns a global coverage map where you can zoom into the areas where you are interested in downloading point cloud data. There is good coverage for all of the Eel River corridor through Humboldt Redwoods State Park from a 2013 flyover. This also includes a little bit of the eastern end of Bull Creek. I used this data to do the map of the 100 meter trees in Founders Grove. The nice thing about processing point cloud data is the height bands can be specified as needed, so if a map of 350 foot redwoods was needed for personal use that could be created just as easily.

          Then NOAA has a data access viewer that has a good amount of point cloud LiDAR coverage for the eastern US but then generally only includes areas close to the coast in the western US. For redwoods there is good NOAA coverage for the redwood parks south of San Francisco in Santa Cruz county, almost all of Del Norte Redwoods State Park, and the near maritime areas of Prairie Creek and Redwood National Park. For example for Redwood National Park can get all of Flint Ridge, all of Trillium Falls area, and a little bit of the northern portion of Redwood Creek.

          All the 2007 LiDAR data that covers the areas in the northern redwood parks with tall trees is under lock and key, as far as I can determine. That was a privately funded study. I have asked for it from the parks but was turned down. I hope someday that information can be put on the Open Topography LiDAR portal.

          1. Thanks for the info

            looks like the Rockefeller loop/forest is included on Open Topography. Ive heard that Rockefeller is taller than Founders on average. Have you tested to see if this is true?

          2. Hello.

            Yes, took a look at that.

            Founders Grove has about one 100 meter tree per acre versus Rockefeller Loop has about 1.75 100 meter trees per acre. In both cases that’s an amazing density of 100 meter trees.

            For maximum height per the LiDAR there are three trees in Rockefeller Loop that are taller than anything in Founders Grove, two by quite a bit.

            In the entire area, from the 2013 data, the two tallest trees were Paradox and Federation Giant and they had the exact same LiDAR indicated height. But that was five years ago, the current situation could be different.

          3. I was watching this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfzO74NT0kM) of a presentation by robert van pelt and about 24 minutes in he showed a few pictures of those 2007 lidar sets you mentioned that were used in his study (https://www.savetheredwoods.org/wp-content/uploads/VanPelt-et-al-2016-Maximum-biomass-and-leaf-area-in-Sequoia-sempervirens-forests.pdf). some of the pics are good enough quality to where you can clearly see the crowns of trees, specifically the pics of Montgomery woods and Bull creek. its interesting to see how the those 2 forest have pretty much all of their trees over 70m concentrated in the valley bottoms leaving the slopes fairly dry where as Prairie creek and jed smith have trees 70-80m almost everywhere.

          4. The RCCI presentations are very well done. Those researchers are working very hard to quantify historic and current redwood growth potential and overall forest health.

            It’s hard for me to tell orange versus red but looking through everything I would estimate there are about 725 100 meter plus redwoods growing along Bull Creek, then about 115 such trees in Montgomery Woods Reserve. This includes the portions of Bull Creek that are not on the map shown in the presentation.

    2. I believe that when all the old growth was untouched up and down the redwood coast, the number of superlative Douglas firs probably exceeded the superlative coast redwoods for height. For wider girth, it should not be a surprise about coast redwood because it’s among the most decay resistant and long-living. The one thing that stands out about Douglas fir though, is that whatever there was, were virtually all single stem trees, not fused or merged trunks like Sir Isaac Newton. So a 12 ft. or 16 ft. Douglas fir may have been uncommon, but it would have been a single in most every case. I find it somewhat disappointing that we never got a chance to see the old growth forest spruce and Douglas fir that existed, or that there’s no video go provide a substantial documentary. Even good photos don’t really do the job to convey a forest. A photo can do a single tree justice, but not what 1000 acres or 10,000 acres felt and looked like.

      1. Very interesting, so if Doug fir at one point did have more stature superlatives than redwood… this truly speaks to the level taht Old growth Doug fir superlative giants were decimated, and in an even greater percentage than I have even fully appreciated. I guess, this artificial situation where Coast Redwood commands the height record, by such a long margin (5,000 to 1 at the 100 m club) over Douglas-fir at present…is a real inverse of nature. But this certainly jives with E.T. Allen’s 1899 survey of Washington’s fir forests, where he says Doug fir was an equal in height to redwood – with the tallest of both species he found authentic at 380 ft. the historic data I have been able to find thus far, agrees with his report. We have so many occurrences where douglas fir were measured at beyond 200 feet, sometimes 220 to 250 feet to first branches, and total height not even recorded, or if so, rounded up to “something over 300 feet”… it actually annoys me, …But in general branch configuration for Doug fir, about 1/2 of height was free of limbs, and in denser or younger forest 2/3 free of limbs….so that is a rough gage, that 200ft without a limb gets my attention…more often than not, total board feet was printed, in press or bulletins, or diameter etc. and overall height is left out, or was considered an un-interesting feature. I really get the feel that 300 foot firs were just taken for granted, especially in the 1880-1920’s boom. There are newspaper blurbs in 1891 where timber cruisers calculate one acre in Whatcom county at half a million board feet, and contained trees 350 to 400 feet high, amazingly slender, 9 feet diameter – six feet up, and close barked. One being over 200 ft estimated to first branch. And then we have an 1858 around Bellingham bay, of a grove containing 12, and 15 ft diameter firs, one laying on the ground being 230 feet to first branch…total tree height “something over 300 feet”…LoL, like it was so tall the folks just stopped pacing the distance, or it broken into fragments when it fell…But yeah, it is a real loss that no one had drones, or a Go Pro in 1858, and could capture the essence of these forests. But at least we have the magnificent redwoods, Nature’s perfection, and relatively intact with its numerous giants. 🙂

  2. Very true. It is likely that the tallest Douglas fir may very well be in the redwood forests, maybe some tall skinny ones competing for stature among the 100 meter redwoods. I think Michael Taylor has record of one growing in S. Oregon, or N. California that was only 3.5 feet diameter, and 306 ft tall! I have a few records of 3 and 3.5 foot DBH reported on fallen firs 312 to 338 feet length, by Lewis & Clark 1806 and Ambrose Armstrong 1850’s, early government lands surveyor. In Armstrong’s case, he reported that whole forests were composed of these super tall skinny ectomorph types, and as far as historic stories go, 70 something specific trees I mentioned, not including allusions and vague statements of other 100 meter trees, but I should note, that many of these were random specimen cut from a dense grove with many many trees reaching similar heights as the stories elude to. If we had a time capsule, and could conduct LiDAR survey of the puget sound and Cascade foothills, in say 1850 or 1860..It wouldn’t shock me if several hundred 100 meter and up returns were discovered in each county, like Skagit, Snohomish, or Island, or Whatcom etc. Yet still, I do not believe, even in optimistic levels, they would have approached with sheer number and regularity of 100 m class, we see in the redwood forests. BTW, very cool Federation grove point cloud map! Cheers

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